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Message Posted: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 @ 22:21:18 GMT
I'll try to be intelligent in my responses here, I haven't read all of the DHBrown report, just a bit of it. So, correct me if I'm wrong...
--- Jose Lora wrote:
I agree, HP makes a good product, just not my favorite, and not the favorite of a lot of real world IT people I know.
I will like this, but I agree that Linux has some growing to do. This is where the gauntlet gets thrown to the vendors who "want" to see Linux as a industrial strength OS: If you see places for improvement, and you support Open Source initiatives, then MAKE the changes.... opens Source functions on the idea of someone seeing a better way and making that improvement, for everyone to use. Linux is NOT going to be allowed to go proprietary, and it is not going away, why not go after it early and get in and accepted as a force with Linux?
I agree and can't wait to see what it will allow me to run Teradata on.
I await these eagerly.
I see no reason that they should, but I do see HP being in the same position here as Sun is, and we know what happened in that storybook...
This is true, but I can also show you a number of analysts that will rank Win2K over [your favorite *nix Os here], I've seen that far too often to buy the analysts ideas of what is good for me or anyone else.
I will give you that HP-UX took this competition, but again, the competiton was Hp-UX, Tru64, Solaris8, and UnixWare7.1.1 and AIX. I didn't see *BSD or Linux in there anywhere. I would advise a quick trip over to the NEtcraft site for some up-to-date stats as to who is running what. On Intel platforms, you will see that the top uptimes and most traffic are run through FreeBSD system, and with good reason, this system is designed to run on Intel, faster and cleaner than any other Intel based OS. You can run specific test with apps where a given app is faster on this or that, but the facts are that FreeBSD is a faster OS, with better memory management and better structure (unfettered by a lot of the crud in some prop. Oses), than many out on the market today. Go ahead, setup two identical boxes, tweak them both, the FreeBSD box (if the playing field is fair) will beat the other OS. It's stable and has a tremendous history.
I won't stay on that point, it's not germaine (sp?), but I will say that second to *BSD on Netcraft are Linux and Solaris. HP makes a fine product, and it works well for many things, but I see issues here (as I do for Sun on IA64), and I think that any vendor, when asked to stack up their proprietary OS/chip against their Proprietary OS on a commodity chip, they will weigh in favor of their chip/OS any time in the lot. I don't blame them, there was a lot of money put into that development and production, why not make it the best of the heap?
Also, one final bit, relating to the above, HP-UX was tested on the PA-RISC box for the DHBrown study, this does not relate to the issues that may be seen when the port to Intel goes GA.
Jose, thank you for the information, there are some things here that I did not know and I agree with you on many of the points above, I thank you for your time and effort on this.
In the end, I still have my reservations about HP-UX, I have seen too many technical and support issues in our organization to consider it the best of breed.
The other part that was portrayed to me by my "source" is this: "Where else could NCR go? There are only so many vendors out there with a 64-bit Intel OS that are ready to go and work with Intel..."
I agree, but I still think they could have looked at more alternatives (if my source is right and NCR goes to HP-UX), I don't see the need to hang on to a proprietary OS that is a first port over to a new architecture. HP is very skilled and has great resources, I have no doubt that they will put out a good product, it just is not what I would have liked as an NCR customer. No offense to HP, these are my opinions, and no offense to NCR, they did what needed to be done. I just have my opinions and disagree with their direction. I hope to see more to this thread, I 'd really like to hear from anyone that really wants to see HP-UX running teradata, I'm curious about their ideas as to what might be better/worse.
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